"It's a One-Way Street": Israel Keyes's Last Interview, November 29, 2012

Name: "It's a One-Way Street": Israel Keyes's Last Interview, November 29, 2012
Uploaded: 2013-08-13
Duration: 1 h 20 min 5 s
Description: Three days before his death, Israel Keyes met the FBI, the Anchorage Police and two federal prosecutors for the last time. They asked him for a "clue" to buy time with Vermont; he talked of caches, a lake in Washington and his distrust of the process, and gave no new names.

Three days before his death, Israel Keyes met the FBI, the Anchorage Police and two federal prosecutors for the last time. They asked him for a "clue" to buy time with Vermont; he talked of caches, a lake in Washington and his distrust of the process, and gave no new names.

Subject: Israel Keyes
Recorded: November 29, 2012
Runtime: 1:20:05

Content warning: Concerns a man who murdered at least three people. The murders are referred to, and Keyes speaks briefly about how two victims in Washington State were killed and about weighting a body in a lake; there is no extended description. Contains strong language.

The Interview

On Thursday, November 29, 2012, Israel Keyes was brought from the jail in Anchorage for what proved to be his last recorded interview. Officer Jeff Bell of the Anchorage Police read him his rights, and Keyes then met privately with his attorney, Rich Curtner. Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis confirmed on tape that Keyes did not want Curtner present and that the Samantha Koenig case would not be discussed. With FBI Special Agent Jolene Goeden and Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo, they talked with him for a little over an hour.

Historical Context

Keyes, a 34-year-old building contractor from Anchorage, abducted Samantha Koenig, 18, from the coffee stand where she worked on February 1, 2012, and killed her. He was arrested in Lufkin, Texas, on March 13, 2012. In interviews after his return to Alaska he confessed to her murder and to the murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier, who disappeared from their home in Essex, Vermont, in June 2011, and described other killings. The FBI believes he may have killed 11 people. Three days after this interview he took his own life in the Anchorage Correctional Complex, on the night of December 1 to 2, 2012, before he could be tried.

Circumstances of the Interview

By late November the investigators had been meeting Keyes for eight months. Agents had searched the property in New York State where, he says, he lived in about 1997, and had tested his boat; the FBI had tried out a live video feed from Tupper Lake, New York, so that Keyes could guide agents remotely. The prosecutors had spoken to Vermont's state and federal prosecutors three days earlier, and Vermont, Feldis said, still wanted to bring charges in the Currier case.

What the Interview Covers

Goeden shows Keyes photographs and lists of items from the New York property, and tells him a thumbprint has been found on a tray from an ammunition box he says he hid under rocks. Feldis and Russo then ask for a "clue" about a past murder, "a state and a timeframe", that would let them tell Vermont things were moving. Keyes says his cooperation depends on "what's going on with the crimes that I'm already charged with", that from his perspective "it's a one-way street", and that he regrets information he has already given. He says he no longer believes he can "manipulate this situation" on his own timeline. He speaks of two knives, says "the only person I ever shot was Bill Currier", and describes a killing in Washington State in which, by his account, he hit someone in the head. He asks how long a body lasts in a fresh water lake, names Lake Crescent in Washington, and says weights made of milk jugs were used. Asked about other caches, he says he will have to think about "which one I want to part with". The session ends with talk of the weather in Vermont.

What Makes the Recording Significant

This is the last recorded interview with Keyes, three days before his death; nobody in the room knew it would be the last. It shows investigators still trying to obtain information about other victims and Keyes still withholding it, worried about publicity, about rumours reaching Neah Bay, Washington, where he says his children live, and about the logistics of a federal charge in the Currier case. The FBI published the recording in August 2013 with its appeal for information about his travels.

Archival Importance

Keyes died without trial, so his recorded interviews are the main record of his own account. This is one of the five Keyes sessions the FBI published, with transcripts, in August 2013, and this copy was posted by the FBI itself.

Important Caveats

What Keyes says about other killings, the Washington couple, the knives, the lake and the caches is his claim and was not verified in the session; no further victim is named. Under court restrictions the Koenig case is not discussed. The transcript was made from three machine readings (Whisper and two sets of YouTube automatic captions), checked for speakers against the FBI's transcript; many passages remain unclear and are marked, and several of the most important (the Washington killings and the letters) differ between readings.

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah, the other ones are really old.

Israel Keyes: Yes, sir.

Officer Jeff Bell: All right, we, we came in, we're just going to start by advising [you of your rights]. You have the right to remain silent. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Officer Jeff Bell: Anything you say can [and] will be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Officer Jeff Bell: You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Officer Jeff Bell: If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before and during any questioning, if you wish. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Officer Jeff Bell: You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Officer Jeff Bell: Okay. Um, having these rights in mind, do you want to talk to us today?

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Officer Jeff Bell: Okay. We, uh, we just wanted to get that out of the way. Rich is on his way over.

Israel Keyes: Okay.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: This is the email that Rich sent over yesterday.

Israel Keyes: Oh, all right.

Officer Jeff Bell: So he is on his way. Anything you want to tell me while we wait? [unclear: "He shouldn't be talking about it, but we'll keep it private" / "anything you should be enough for me"]

Israel Keyes: No.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "I'm going to eat" / "Something to eat"]?

Israel Keyes: No, I'm fine.

Officer Jeff Bell: You want [to borrow] one of those?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "I got the newspaper already" / "Done with the newspaper"]?

Officer Jeff Bell: Did you, what did you do to scare off those candy bars?

Israel Keyes: Yeah, it's...

Officer Jeff Bell: It's in the fridge.

Israel Keyes: I didn't notice. [unclear: "Don't worry, I'm going to eat it" / not in Whisper]

Officer Jeff Bell: Anyhow, we'll be back out over here when, uh, Rich gets here, all right?

Israel Keyes: I won't go anywhere.

Officer Jeff Bell: All right. Promise?

Israel Keyes: I promise.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Yeah, he doesn't need to be down there. Hello? [Morning, Israel.]

Israel Keyes: Yeah, don't let him scare off my [unclear: "only" / "own"] lawyer.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: How are you doing today?

Israel Keyes: All right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: All right. Hey, just before we start, I know these guys read you your rights earlier.

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Okay. Um, and then, uh, you were just meeting, uh, privately with Rich Curtner, your attorney.

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And, uh, Rich just came out and indicated that, um, uh, you did not want him to be present today.

Israel Keyes: Correct.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Okay. So again, I want to make sure we have those ground rules. Rich told me that you indicated you did not want him present today. Um, so we will take you at your word on that. And if at any time you would like us to call Rich back, or any other attorney that can be standby counsel, uh, please let us know, okay?

Israel Keyes: All right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Um, we're only going to be talking about things unrelated to the Koenig case today. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Understood, yes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And, and obviously, um, without your attorney present in the Koenig case, we won't be able to talk about anything related to that case. And if, if you start to talk about it, we're going to have to stop right here. Do you understand that?

Israel Keyes: Yes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: All right. Um, that's been sitting in the, in the refrigerator for a week.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, thank you, but...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, here's the, here's the thing. The FBI is going to clean out the refrigerator.

Israel Keyes: They're going to keep it for 100 years or something. Yeah, so.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Um, so, talking about other crimes, um, we wanted to kind of pick up where we left off on some things. Uh, any information that you might be thinking about over the last few weeks...

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: ...um, related to that. And I think we had some [unclear: "ideas coming along" / "update come in"] on the New York situation, is that accurate? I want to start there.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Okay. And I, and also the live feed, I wanted to jump into that, 'cause I know, um, we came over on Tuesday. Um, we had it set up, we had a couple guys up in Tupper Lake, um, to, to go over the bank, to go over the bank robbery.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "That was a three-hour drive" / "Bit of a ride"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [From where] they were at.

Israel Keyes: Um, yeah, in all fairness, I never set up a specific day, but it actually [unclear: "wouldn't" / "would have"] worked, because my attorney didn't show up till later that afternoon.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: All right. Well, it didn't work that day. Um, but we, uh, we had hoped to have it set up today, since we thought you were going to work for today, but Albany had some other stuff come up. But I have to say it was pretty cool. We tested it, and the way that, just so you have an idea of what it looks like and what to expect, 'cause we'll try to set something up for next week. Um, but we did two laptops. One of them was, uh, essentially like a tracker, so you had an overhead GPS, Google Maps kind of view.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: And then the other one was a live feed, actually, from the camera. And then the plan, we had speakerphone, so then you can say, you know, go right here, go left here. And our plan was just to use, 'cause Tupper Lake is a little more remote than doing it in a city, we wanted to use Tupper Lake and just talk over the bank robbery, because that was...

Officer Jeff Bell: Make sure we had cell reception or whatever they have out there for the signal.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: 'Cause depending on where they're at, they have to use, sometimes they'll use satellite, sometimes they'll have to use different types of things in order to bring them in.

Israel Keyes: Wow, [unclear: "very nice" / "fancy"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: It's kind of [unclear: "scary" / "CSI"].

Officer Jeff Bell: I assume some of these places we're going to go are going to be cell phone only, so.

Israel Keyes: Finally living up to people's expectations. All those CSI shows.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: They still can't usually get the thing solved in 20 minutes.

Israel Keyes: Really?

Officer Jeff Bell: It's an hour show.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: But I'm picturing the Google Earth car driving around.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So we'd like to still do that.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: And I don't, I don't have a day yet. I don't know a specific day.

Israel Keyes: Is there snow there yet?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: There wasn't, if there, there wasn't much. I mean, it wasn't something...

Officer Jeff Bell: Typically the morning works for you, right? Because that's for the four-hour time [difference].

Israel Keyes: Typically.

Officer Jeff Bell: If we can get that. Yeah, they're kind of, they don't want to drive three hours again. And maybe we could just do it in Albany or... But we thought the memory lane trip at Tupper Lake would be more interesting, maybe for both of us.

Israel Keyes: Yeah. Well, I still want to think about it.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: All right.

Israel Keyes: I'm sure we can find a way around it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So you're thinking next week?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah, I, I don't have any specific day yet, but we'll work on setting up the day next week. And we'll do it like we did this time, early enough that if you've got other stuff...

Israel Keyes: Right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: ...try not to make a conflict with that, so that we can get you back there by mid-morning again.

Israel Keyes: Right. Yeah, I didn't realize you guys had, you know, all of that. You didn't mention that when you came in here, did you?

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah, I did mention that. You weren't, you weren't in a [unclear: "receptive" / "more receptive"] [mood].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, that's all right. It's your, it's your decision, but we just want to let you know they're going to set it up next week, and it'll be your choice whether to come over or not. But they're probably not going to [unclear: "accept it" / "set"]...

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "But they're only able to do this" / "if they're only able to do this"]. But we'll do it again.

Israel Keyes: Yeah. Gas is expensive. Keep it within the budget.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Tupper Lake is probably a good, still a good location now.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Uh, the new thing is the New York stuff. [I'll] show you what they took from the property in New York.

Israel Keyes: All right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: This was the, this is the list. And then some of it's pretty, you know, kind of generic, with the description of what these were, but I'm not sure if they were your property.

Israel Keyes: Wow. You're going way back now.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: What stuff?

Israel Keyes: Um, all of this. Sorry. Anything from New York, you're going way back.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: When's the last time you were there?

Israel Keyes: Oh, I was there just a year or so ago, but living there, I haven't been there since I left.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: You haven't, like, stayed there...

Officer Jeff Bell: You went by there in 2011.

Israel Keyes: Oh, yeah, yeah. Every time I'm back there I go by. But I, I mean, all this stuff that's there is, it's like childhood memories.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Did you live there for a period of time?

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: How long?

Israel Keyes: Uh, a little less than a year.

Officer Jeff Bell: Seven, eight months?

Israel Keyes: In '97, I think.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: They all look the same?

Israel Keyes: I'm surprised the roof is still there.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: There's a lot of, uh, on one side it's missing a lot of shingles. I mean, [in] which of these pictures...

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I thought last time I was there a lot of the roof had fallen in.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: But there's some other pictures. And apparently the basement, like, I got some pictures, the basement's got quite a bit of water in it. Over here you can see it better.

Israel Keyes: That's the indoor swimming pool.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Uh-huh. Yeah, you can see it.

Officer Jeff Bell: The high ground water?

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So this is the main, this is the main house? 'Cause there's a bunch of buildings.

Israel Keyes: There's like an old garage and an old shed, yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Okay. And then here's the indoor swimming pool. And if you want to see, in this picture, I think it's this one, I think it's just the angle, one of the support beams...

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: ...is coming down, and so it's not super stable.

Israel Keyes: How were they able to get down there?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "Past" / "Press"] through the window.

Israel Keyes: Oh.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Went down, put a ladder down through the window.

Israel Keyes: Okay.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: And went down that way.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, those stairs [unclear: "don't" / "will start going"]...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Is that the kitchen of the main house?

Israel Keyes: Yeah, that's...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Had there been other people staying there that you know of? Is that what all this stuff is from? This is a close-up of that. Or was that how it was when you were there?

Israel Keyes: Last time I was there, it looked like there had been hunters or campers hanging out in there.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: 'Cause there was, there was a mattress on one of these floors too. It's not in the pictures. It might be just off, 'cause it's like here, there's a mattress in the kitchen area.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: And then what building is that?

Israel Keyes: That's the garage.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [inaudible] And then that was... 'Cause there was no running water?

Israel Keyes: There was, yeah. There was an indoor bathroom too.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Oh, there was? Okay. And then you got a third building. Did you guys have animals there at one point? Not like dogs and cats, but like animals in one of these little barns?

Israel Keyes: [inaudible]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: That's what they said. It looked like it had horse manure or straw and stuff...

Israel Keyes: Mm-hm.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Still around. This was a box, and I got [the] first sheet. There's receipts down there; you can't really see it in the picture. Those are invoices for some [unclear: "duck fur" / "questions up for"], some guns and ammo, back in 1994. Do you remember what that was for?

Israel Keyes: I recognize some old books vaguely. It's been a while since I've been through any of that stuff.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Did you have a place up there that you bought firearms?

Israel Keyes: No, not in New York. I never bought guns officially. They were always under the table.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Okay. We'll get the invoice, 'cause they said the invoice was in your name, in March of '94.

Israel Keyes: That had a gun on it?

Officer Jeff Bell: Or three at the most.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: That's what I thought. Like, I thought it had a gun on it. That was my interpretation, but I'll, I'll have them send up the invoice so we can look at it. Bunch of maps. Are those yours?

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "No" / "Yeah"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Anything we should be looking for?

Israel Keyes: [Before the days of] computer[s].

Officer Jeff Bell: Any X's on them anywhere, or anything?

Israel Keyes: No.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [Anything we] should be looking for?

Israel Keyes: [Put] X's on my map.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Highlight[ing].

Israel Keyes: No highlight[ing]. The only map you found that had highlighting on it, I didn't do the highlighting.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Who did the highlighting on that one?

Israel Keyes: I don't know.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: What about the, the map, that one you were...

Officer Jeff Bell: I think there was one in the car that was highlighted.

Israel Keyes: When I was arrested, yeah. Yeah, but I didn't do the highlighting.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: I know, that's what they were saying. Well, it was the interstate that was highlighted, and you don't seem to really be an interstate kind of person.

Israel Keyes: No, that's just [unclear: "probably something or something" / not in Whisper].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Couple other things. There's a mattress out in the woods.

Israel Keyes: [Yeah.]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Do you know what that was from? There was some clothes under it. There was some women's clothes under it.

Israel Keyes: I don't know why they were there. I mean, you're not, you're not finding anything relevant.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: They were, they were underneath it.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "Thank you" (captions) / "Kinky" (FBI transcript)].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: And then this is a photo from the fire pit area behind the house.

Israel Keyes: Oh, yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: It's a [unclear: "wedding" / "ring"]... It's a memory board. And these are some of the beads from a necklace.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I, I haven't burned anything in that pit for a long time, so, and, and anything that you found in there is probably from hunters or somebody who's camping there. I mean, there hasn't been any... I put a gate across the road, uh, as soon as my folks moved out of that place, but it only stayed up for a year or two, and then hunters cut it down.

Officer Jeff Bell: What do they hunt in the woods there?

Israel Keyes: Uh, white tail.

Officer Jeff Bell: Like deer?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Was there ever a time that you burned anything of significance in that fire pit?

Israel Keyes: No, not up there.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Anything to do with crimes?

Israel Keyes: Possibly, but nothing, this is all...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Nothing like this?

Israel Keyes: No, that's, this is all [unclear: "fiction" / "for it"]. I mean, I haven't really spent much time there ever since I was in the Army.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So this, this isn't going to be a ring of somebody that we need to be worried about?

Israel Keyes: No.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: I think the rest of these were, they were just duplicate pictures of those. Do you have any questions about this stuff? We're going to get all of this up here, and so once we get it up here, we can pull it out. Like, I, we'll grab this stuff to see what that is, what the invoices [are].

Israel Keyes: Okay.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Some of this other stuff. They were a little interesting. Do you know who that belonged to?

Israel Keyes: Uh, I think he did, yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: We'll bring it in when we get it.

Israel Keyes: Sure.

Officer Jeff Bell: I think you said trip down memory lane.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, it was. I didn't even realize I still had anything in there.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "Yeah" / not in captions]

Israel Keyes: I guess, I'm guessing all that stuff was in the garage or something?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Um, it was, it was spread out. I think the box was in the garage. I don't remember where some of the other, like, you know, some of the other specific stuff, but I know the box, I think the box is in the garage. I think, uh, but just, I had the stuff laid out to show you. I think we, we may have even showed you these before.

Israel Keyes: No, I saw the ones that they found.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Okay, yeah.

Israel Keyes: These were as they found it?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: They might have pulled something away or something.

Officer Jeff Bell: [So] you could see where it was.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "I thought it kind of came apart too" / not in Whisper]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah, that was, so, like, walking up on it.

Israel Keyes: I see.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Um, we got a report. We just got all this stuff sent in to the lab to see what we, do with everything that we did. And, uh, the tray that holds the ammo in there, there's a perfect right thumbprint.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: No, there is. I don't have the lab report yet.

Israel Keyes: Wow.

Officer Jeff Bell: Uh-oh.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So, more CSI stuff.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I'm impressed. Well, I'm disappointed in myself mostly, but [unclear: "I'm glad" / "I'm excited" / "I'm sorry"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: The lab examiner called me. I don't have the report yet. When I get the report, though, I'll show you the report. But I'm not being sarcastic. It was on one of these, two, on the plastic tray.

Israel Keyes: Huh. [Plastic] tray?

Officer Jeff Bell: Like, this piece must be the plastic. I had [unclear: "bottom view" / not in Whisper] of, the top view of it.

Israel Keyes: Okay.

Officer Jeff Bell: Slides into that cardboard sleeve.

Israel Keyes: Well, I was kind of in a hurry. Too lazy to even dig a hole for that one. Just piled rocks on top of it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Are you planning on going back for that?

Israel Keyes: Yeah, this summer. That [unclear: "would have been" / "wasn't"] a good trip. I still can't get over the whole, the disappeared house in Vermont thing.

Officer Jeff Bell: You have big plans for this summer? Back there?

Israel Keyes: Well, I, you know, I was going to go back there. I just, I picture driving up, looking everywhere for that farmhouse and not being able to find it.

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "They burned it down?" (captions) / "To burn it down?" (FBI transcript)]

Israel Keyes: Yeah, that would have been [unclear: "funny" / "fun"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "But so what did you guys do that morning?" / "But you guys did that for me"]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Speaking of Vermont.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Yeah, speaking of Vermont. We were talking to, uh, Vermont on Monday. They want to know what's going on, and they are interested in filing charges, as they have been all along.

Israel Keyes: What? Federal?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, you know.

Israel Keyes: You don't know?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: No, no. I mean, we talked to the state and federal prosecutors on Monday, and we want to know what we should tell them from your perspective.

Israel Keyes: Well, it's a little hard to talk about the general, over, my general overall perspective right now, for obvious reasons, but...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, just tell us...

Israel Keyes: I understand that.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: We're not going to do that, but we're, we are interested in the murders of the Curriers, because that's what they're interested in.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: They're, yeah, they're also interested in, you know, your cooperation on other crimes, and where that stands, and whether you intend to follow through on some of that. And so that's the kind of thing, you know, that they're looking for from us.

Israel Keyes: Well, like I said all along, my cooperation on other crimes is dependent on what's going on with the crimes that I'm already charged with. And I said that all along.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [Mm-hm.]

Israel Keyes: As far as, um, I'm really interested in the legal process of this, should we say.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, you've known, and we've been, you know, we've, we've talked about this quite a bit, that Vermont is willing to be patient if they think that there's forward momentum on solving other crimes, you know. And I know that you don't care about that from the perspective of the family of the other victims, but Vermont does. And so there's a way to meet in the middle by giving something that they can then have. No, they don't need to know the details of everything, as, you know, [but] something that [unclear: "they need to hold on" / "to hold off"].

Israel Keyes: I just don't understand why, um, even from a legal perspective, I don't understand what the hurry is, or what their issue is, as to why they want to file charges, additional charges, when I'm clearly already charged with substantial ones.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, in, in Vermont, you've got state prosecutors who right now have an unsolved, yeah, according to the public, unsolved murder of the Curriers, right? So the law enforcement is under a lot of pressure.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: They get calls from the press. They tell us every week, you know. [It's a little] different: state prosecutors are elected, so I think they probably feel more of an obligation to inform the public than, you know, people who are appointed for lifetime, [as] prosecutors.

Israel Keyes: Right. But, uh, since they've called off the search for the bodies, as far as the public knows, they can't even definitively say that it was a homicide. I know they already told everybody it was...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: But they know that.

Israel Keyes: They know. Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And also Vermont, as you've got, let's just be a really realistic approach to the state prosecutor in Vermont. You know, you want to come out and say, "Hey, here are the charges we've got. We've got the guy. He's solved." That's what you want to do.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So you need to give them a reason to say, "Don't do that."

Officer Jeff Bell: If you don't want them to do that.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I mean, that's the [inaudible].

Israel Keyes: Well, like I say, my perspective at this point is, they're asking for a reason, for me to give them a reason not to do that. And I have no reason to suspect at this point that any information, any further information I give is going to be used or portrayed to the media in the way that I'm told it will be or won't be, just because that's the way it's played out so far. So if they're saying... I, I guess what I'm saying is that from my perspective at this point, it's a one-way street. And initially I thought there were ways that I could manipulate this situation, and this case, all the related cases, um, to my benefit and on my timeline, by withholding information and giving information out. And, you know, obviously over the last few months I came to the realization that I can't do that, not realistically.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So is that your real reasoning?

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I think we've talked about for a while, you know, an idea of this whole resolution of the Currier case, being able to structure that disposition around some of your demands. And, you know, we touched upon that, and I know that, you know, maybe we can't talk about the other case, but...

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: You know, it seems to me that, you know, if you give us a list of demands in connection with a federal case on the Curriers, that we can try to at least start meeting those demands, and at least say, you know, to the Vermont state, that there's an expression of an intent to continue cooperation in exchange for these types of things. I, I think...

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I understand what you're saying. The problem is, I don't have any typical demands, or there's not anything you can offer me at this point. And I realize that now. I realize that there's more to these cases than the people who sit in this room, and we're not the ones who pull all the strings on this. I'm realistic about that. And, um, because of the things that have happened over the last couple months, I just feel like there's a lot of information that I've given out to date that, 20/20 hindsight, I wouldn't have given out. Because I feel like now, no matter what I do, it's going to become public anyway. Whereas if I hadn't given it out, it wouldn't have, because you wouldn't have had the information to begin with, in the first place.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, I mean, from our, from our perspective, um, we've [unclear: "kind of thought" / "done a lot"] to respect your wishes about keeping the publicity level on this case, and everything that we talked about, you recall. [unclear: "You didn't hold us to that" / "You didn't call us that"], but yeah, you understand that we've done that. Now, over time, as things have slowed down and we haven't [unclear: "heard" / "worried"] about other crimes, then the FBI and, you know, authorities around the country have to make decisions. So that's...

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I think search warrant is an example, that, you know, they said, "Hey, look, you know, give us a reason to tell our, to tell their bosses why they didn't need to do the search warrant." [unclear: "That's been released" / "It really helps"]. I didn't do it before, but they didn't have any reason, you know. I think you can see that we can have a lot of control when we have some information from you and cooperation from you. If we don't, then we all lose control.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: And even Vermont's letter, that I recall, right? You know, they had this letter about, all right, we'll allow this, and we just kind of sit back and we don't get involved. And that was the thrust of that letter, I think. What happened in Vermont after that was a function of that, not going along with those, with that deal. And so that, that's what ended up happening there. You know, I understand your perspective, but at the same time, you know, I think there is a way to structure a deal around the Curriers to satisfy some of your goals, you know, if not every one of them. But, you know, we can't do that unless, you know, we sort of have an exchange for your future cooperation. "Here's what I want to happen in the Currier case." If we have that, I think that's something we can do. [unclear: "More concrete than that" / not in Whisper].

Israel Keyes: Well, the only reason the Currier case has even become an issue is because of me wanting to keep control of that situation before it became a situation. That's why we talked about it in the first place. [unclear: "Or loose ends" / "It loosens"], whatever you want to call it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [Mm-hm.]

Israel Keyes: That was my concern. As far as long-term, clearly this whole situation is turning, going to turn into longer term than I anticipated, in my perspective. And so my position on it at this point is, you're asking for more information, and I am still waiting to see what happens with the information I've already given. So, essentially, what [I] can happen is, it, you know, this is, it becomes a one-way street until I see what comes out the other end on some of these other issues.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, we're, we're also looking at, from your, from what you expressed earlier, that the time frame. We all said, are we going to be sitting here a year from now? And this was going back four months or five months.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So we're getting a lot closer, I think, to the year from now. So, you know, and, you know, we've also talked about the way that Vermont initially came out. You know, we were all kind of [unclear: "having" / "hadn't"] fully prepared for what would happen in Vermont, right? You've said it, we've said it. And we've learned things from how we dealt with Vermont that would not necessarily need to be repeated in other jurisdictions. So, you know, [if] we have, um, information about any community or jurisdiction, we can approach them without even giving them any details.

Israel Keyes: I, I hear what you're saying, but at the same time, I feel like there's been several, I don't want to say breach of trust, because I know we don't trust each other, but based on initial things that were said verbally, nothing in writing, I know we didn't have agreements hard and fast, I just feel like, you know, especially with the last search warrants that were executed, it was done in a way that was clearly contrary to what my initial intentions were for the way this whole thing would play out. And, uh, you know, I hear what you're saying, as far as it has to be done, but I, what I'm doubtful about is the motivation for doing it. Your motivation, or the FBI's, whoever's, whoever sanctioned that, their motivation for doing it in the way that they did it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, hey, like you said, you know, you're going to be suspicious of us, we're going to be suspicious of you. But frankly, when we sat down in this room, everyone here is trying to play straight with you. And I think if you look, if you understand the reality of the situation, and you're a pretty reality-based guy, I mean, you understand how the world works, is, you know, once you stopped telling us significant information about other crimes, then these guys couldn't control what the rest of the FBI is going to do. And the playbook says, you know, if you've got a serial killer, you're going to have to go through that house with a fine-tooth comb, right? By default. Even though they can say, "Hey, Israel's told us there's nothing there," well, you know, they're going to do it. And the only way to hold that off is to say, "Well, look, he's cooperating, he's giving us information." But when we stop, then there's going to be consequences. We're really, we're, we're trying to be as reality-based about this thing [as we can]. We've always given you what we thought was actually going to happen in the real world. And it's the same thing with Vermont. You know, if we had had more information with Vermont, then Vermont would have been a whole lot more quiet and cooperative. As it is, they've been really cooperative, right? They haven't filed any charges. But, you know, how long can we hold on to them without another piece of information? You know, you're, you're a reasonable person. Don't you think, if you use somebody else for an example, like this, this type of case, someone who's not cooperating and not talking with law enforcement, don't you think that, that this would have been viral...

Officer Jeff Bell: ...in front of the United States, and every place you've ever been? Don't you think that, I mean, if, if you hadn't been talking to us, we don't have any other choice but to try to do it on our own, and use all the information that we've put together about you and your whereabouts, and put it out to those communities for help. And we haven't done that because you've been talking with us.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I mean, even the stuff you've done, I mean, you've done a pretty, I think, a pretty good job, even on the search warrants. There were no statements in the press that we're looking for evidence of other crimes. You know, no one stood in front of a camera and did that. I mean, the cameras, you know, may have shown up, but no one said a word, you know, in hopes of still moving forward on this.

Officer Jeff Bell: And you can only be so discreet about doing something on, like, a street that's six houses long.

Israel Keyes: Well, especially if you block it off.

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah. I mean, but we were trying to prevent people who we didn't want there to, you know, to get into that, but you can't...

Israel Keyes: I'm just saying, yeah, you've got to go by your playbook, but I refuse to accept that there weren't ways you could have been more discreet, or more... You know, that's just my impression. I have nothing to go on other than what I see, and my gut feeling on stuff at this point, because I feel like I get the trickle-down bullshit from all parties involved. So, you know, that may or may not be the case, but that's just where I feel like I'm at right now.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Right. We can't change your feeling, but we can, I mean, we've always come into this room trying to give you the straight scoop, and we've tried to deal with you that way, because we know that you're a smart guy and you know how the world works. And, and what I'm sensing, what you're telling me now, is, is you're trying to, you know, look at us as if we've been, you know, manipulating...

Israel Keyes: No.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: ...you somehow.

Israel Keyes: No, I don't think anyone in this room has been manipulating. Uh, that's not my concern right now. My concern, you know, you're asking for more information. You talked about it going viral. If I give you, if, if, if I give you any more information, and it somehow gets out, and it gets in the paper again, you know, one more snippet of information could push the whole thing over the edge, you know. And then for, for, for the time being, as many times as it's been in the paper, and there's still all the speculation, it hasn't really taken off.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And why do you think that is?

Israel Keyes: Well, I know it's because you haven't been giving official statements, that you could, which I do appreciate, that aspect of it. What I'm saying is, until I know what's going to happen with certain current issues, my big concern is that another rumor gets out. It doesn't have to come from you, just another rumor from somebody, I don't know. And then, you know, I'm not, I'm no longer in touch with all the different, I, I don't even know what's being said, um, in the media, or what has been said about the stories. I see little snippets here and there. But, um, that's my concern, is that, you know, it could, if something else were to get out, and especially in a different area or something, then, uh, you know, and, and, and now there's the whole Neah Bay aspect of it now, too. And, you know, like, my kids living in Neah Bay now, and gossip is the, is the town pastime. So that's my concern right now, is, it doesn't even have to be, I feel like at, at this point it wouldn't even have to be something that was confirmed. It could just be a rumor.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, you're not going to get rumors coming out from us anyway. You haven't so far. The stuff that's come out is when there's been, when the people outside of this room feel like that you're not being forthcoming.

Israel Keyes: Right. I know.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And we can, we can be advocates for how we want to pursue this case, but we need, we need something. We need material. We need currency. We need something to advocate with. And that's what, kind of, not kind of, that's exactly what we've told you for the last six months or more.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I understand that.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: So what about, um, I mean, just the idea, and I'm just saying, you know, along the lines of what, you know, [would] tell them all to just stand down: even just a clue that doesn't give up anything from your perspective, but at least gives everybody something to work with behind the scenes. Nothing that we, you know, have to kind of go and publicize to the world, but a clue about, you know, one of the past murders, that's really not going to reveal anything. So you're not playing any cards, but at least we're then going back to these guys' bosses, and to Vermont, and saying, "Look, you've given us a clue, in exchange for this sort of discretion, for everybody to kind of stand down, so to speak."

Israel Keyes: Well, first of all, I don't know...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Sure.

Israel Keyes: You already have a lot of clues that I don't know about.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Mm-hm.

Israel Keyes: You know? You have, you have that computer.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: You wouldn't be giving anything away.

Israel Keyes: I'm just, I'm just saying, you have, I think you have a lot of background on me at this point.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Sure.

Israel Keyes: I'm sure that, that I don't even remember.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: The bosses above us, though, don't know what's on that computer. [unclear: "You and I know what's on that computer" / "Yeah, I know what's on that computer"]. So let's just use Frank's example for a second. So if you were to give us a clue, they don't know, our, our bosses don't know what is on that computer.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: [unclear: "You wouldn't be here next time" / "So we won't be here next time"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So they're not going to know if we already knew that or not.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Vermont doesn't know either. They haven't seen the evidence. So you could be giving us nothing, but at least it's something we report to them.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Something, yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: "He reported that he committed a murder in [unclear: "that state" (Whisper) / "Alaska" (captions); the FBI transcript has "X state"]." Okay, big deal. It's not going to give us anything, after, you know, given the timeline that you set forth, 14 years. But at least it's some sort of sign of progress. We can go back and say, "No, no, he's actually given us a clue, and things are moving forward," and they can feel good about themselves for not doing [anything].

Israel Keyes: But when you, when you say clue, are you talking about giving you names, or what?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Or you give us a [unclear: "name" / "state"]...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Give us a name of a state, or something.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: A state and a timeframe.

Israel Keyes: Hey, you already know some of the states.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Sure, sure.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: But give us something that we...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: It doesn't matter.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Progress from where we were months ago. That's what we're looking for. I mean, I... But Frank and I talked about this clue idea. But, uh, something that we don't, obviously you can tell us something we already, you know, have discussed in here. That's not progress.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: 'Cause everybody knows what's been discussed in here. But, you know, let's assume you give us something; from your perspective, you're not giving us anything, because you think, "Hey, we already have it." It's a clue. And it's just something that gives us credibility, that we can report, even though, you know, maybe this is just a [unclear: "fiction" / "patient"]. Give us an idea. You know, New York, New Jersey...

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "All right, well, you know, you told us New Jersey" / "All right, well, New York's New Jersey"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Or, you, some, something, other, other thing that we can kind of report back, that, you know, allows us a little bit of credibility with the people [unclear: "we have to deal with" (Whisper) / "of Neah Bay" (captions)]. Something...

Israel Keyes: Did you find any knives in New York, or in the boat? Folding knives, they're about six inches long.

Officer Jeff Bell: I don't know.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: I think...

Officer Jeff Bell: You told us there was, [you] thought there was knives in the boat, right?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [unclear: "I don't think there was knives" / "I think there was"].

Israel Keyes: There's two knives that were not in Kimberly's house, and I don't remember, I don't know where they were. I thought they were in that bucket. I thought that they were. I may, I may have left one in New York, or there, I thought there might have been one in the boat. Just knives that I had from a long time ago. But I haven't seen them in any of the pictures, so I don't...

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "He asked Ted or Ann" / "I hope he has Taylor"]?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah, I can find out about that. But I don't think there was a knife on the boat.

Israel Keyes: I don't remember, I don't remember a knife being in the bucket, though, in the photos. The knife[s] [inaudible]. Well, there was a folding knife.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And why is that important?

Israel Keyes: Well, it's a folding knife, so, I don't know, you take it apart, and like...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Would there be blood on the knife?

Israel Keyes: There could be blood, [or] might not be on it. Maybe on the inside. I mean, the kind that has the, the handles actually bolted or screwed to it or something. It's not a solid piece. In other words, you could disassemble it in some manner.

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Is the, would the blood be from a long time ago, or just the knife?

Israel Keyes: No, the blood's not from a long time ago. But I haven't, I haven't carried it for a while, so I can't remember where I left, where I left it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Any other places where [we] might find it?

Israel Keyes: No, I don't...

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "What was in the boat was a long time ago" / "Well, as in the boat, it's the long-term"]...

Israel Keyes: Well...

Officer Jeff Bell: 2005.

Israel Keyes: Right. I mean, I, they're, they're both knives that I got way back then.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And would those be associated with the Washington murders?

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: On those lines, I'm, I'm waiting for Ted [to] respond.

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "Ted said it was in the boat" / not in Whisper]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: From Ted. Um, on those lines, we talked to someone out at the lab, and we were talking about, you know, when the time comes, when you decide that you want to give additional information, so that we're prepared on what we need to do to be able to respond quickly. We asked about, you know, what are the chances of, if there is someone that is, somebody that, if there, if there's a body at the bottom of the lake, what are the chances of that body still being intact seven years later, that kind of thing. What are we going to be looking for, and what do we need to have in place in order to be able to find that? And one of the things that they said, [that] might be of interest to you, is, depending on how, how the body was put down there, it's potential, it's possible that the body's actually very intact. If the body was, um, just tied to something and dropped to the bottom of the lake, there's definitely still going to be long bones and that kind of stuff. If the body was contained in something, um, even a bag of some sort, it's very possible that the body could still be intact, depending on the depth of the lake. All of that determines the kind of equipment that we would need in order, in order to locate, locate the body. And so, obviously, not asking for details about where and who and all that kind of stuff, but in terms of the Washington bodies, were they contained in something, or were they just tied to the milk jugs? I mean, is it something where we, we might possibly actually still get an intact [body]?

Israel Keyes: No.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: No? Okay. And that's helpful for them to know, because that, that's a whole different type of search that it would have to be, then, a different type of equipment.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "Let me just try to call him. Let's just try to call him" (captions) / not in Whisper; the FBI transcript has Goeden say Ted is not answering]

Officer Jeff Bell: And do you, I guess, 'cause I'm kind of getting a different vibe now, at one point: do you still envision in the future us working together to the point where we, you can get this information?

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I don't see how we're going to get anything else done. I just, um...

Officer Jeff Bell: And you're waiting for, you know, whatever you're waiting for to find out, and [unclear: "like that" / not in Whisper].

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I have, I have concerns with current issues, but, you know, I, I, I can definitely foresee down the road there's going to be a lot more that can be resolved, because, you know...

Officer Jeff Bell: And that's good...

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "but I got it in a different manner" / "I want to go about it in a different manner" / "that we're brought it in a different manner"].

Officer Jeff Bell: But that's good information, 'cause we'll be able to pass that on, if you're still open and you're still...

Israel Keyes: No, I haven't, my, uh, outlook on this, as far as the ultimate end result, hasn't really changed. It just has more to do with timelines. Expectations, I guess.

Officer Jeff Bell: But, and, you know, what the balancing game we're, we're talking about doing is, we're just trying to keep everybody happy the best we can until we get to that point. And those are the, those are the, that's kind of a difficult balancing act, right?

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: And it sounds like you're holding on to some of this stuff to trade in for something you might need later. True?

Israel Keyes: Well, yeah, because, you know, I don't have much else to...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Well, well, that's the thing, is, you know, this whole clue idea, you know, might give us a little short-term solution to keep this thing moving the way we want it to move. Um, and maybe it can get you something in the short term. You know, if you're thinking about, like, I don't know, you, you come, you give a clue, and, uh, you know, you want a lunch or something like that, I mean, that's something that can be worked out.

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "A mini candy bar or what?" / "You can't be bothered"]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I know. That's what I think. You know, I don't know if he feels guilty about it...

Officer Jeff Bell: You got a cigar?

Israel Keyes: [inaudible]

Officer Jeff Bell: He'd probably pass out if he had a cigar right now.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [But I mean,] the notion, the notion of this whole idea is, you know, you, uh, you come over, we keep things going, you know, this on a, on a smaller scale. You're not giving up anything in terms of trading value, but you're giving us credibility with other people we have to deal with. You're not giving us any useful information, really, other than, "All right, well, we got, you know, a knife in Washington." It's not like we're going to solve the Clue game on that, like, you know, Professor Plum in the library. But it, it gives us a little bit of, you know, stuff to go back with, [to] people, and buy time, and buy what we need to buy. And, you know, in the short term, you know, if you have short-term needs that you think, "All right, you know, it might be fun to have sushi," that's something that, you know, can be arranged. We're not talking about, you know, huge clues here.

Israel Keyes: [Right.] What did you guys find in the boat? Was there anything left?

Officer Jeff Bell: I thought we went over it head [to] toe.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: We went over it.

Israel Keyes: I saw the list.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [There] was no knife.

Israel Keyes: [Yeah.]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Oh, you mean in terms of the lab? Yeah. The, it has not, everything has not gone to, finished up at DNA yet. Um, so it's possible that there were still... There were some, some areas that did test positive for blood, just when they do, like, a presumptive test, when the people that were searching it. So those things went into the lab. And some of those things were, like, the screws from holding the carpeting in, and that kind of thing. Those have not come back yet from the DNA. Well, the little, uh, there were some little fragments that they thought might have been bone fragments. It was not bone. Did not test positive for bone.

Officer Jeff Bell: [unclear: "That was come back" / "That was not bad"].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: They didn't [say]. We didn't ask what it was, but it wasn't bone. There's some hair that is not yours, but the way they figure out hair...

Israel Keyes: I was, I was mostly curious if they found any blood.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah, there was.

Israel Keyes: [I just wasn't] sure how long, 'cause it's been sitting there in the rain for so long. I was curious if there was. I mean, I know there was when I parked it.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah, there was. I just, I don't, we haven't heard anything back about it. And, and then they, they need something to compare it with.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So there's no knife?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: No knife. There was no knife in the boat.

Israel Keyes: It may have been, uh, I don't know what happened to that knife. It was a tanto, Cold Steel tanto.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: How big? Like, was it a small...

Israel Keyes: It had a, it was a four, four and a half inch folding blade.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Mm-hm.

Israel Keyes: I think I bought it at Walmart.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Do you remember what color any of those [were]?

Israel Keyes: It looked very similar to the one that I had on me when I was arrested. Just a different blade style. Same company and everything, I think.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: So if I'm correct about that, that was the murder weapon for one of the Washington murders?

Israel Keyes: Well, it was involved.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: It was involved?

Israel Keyes: [Yeah.]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I think we talked about before, when we were asking about federal jurisdiction, about guns. [unclear: "Where did you get the gun?" (captions) / not in Whisper; the FBI transcript has Feldis ask whether either victim was shot]

Israel Keyes: No.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: No? Strangled?

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "We'll get the whole story eventually" / "Who did the whole story initially?"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Mm-hm.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: But, usually you get parts of it, [unclear: "so that we can move" / not in captions].

Israel Keyes: No, the only person I ever shot was Bill Currier.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Mm-hm. Everybody else was strangled?

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "Four" (Whisper) / "Or" (captions)]...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I don't want to have the wrong impression, you know, so. Everybody else was strangled, or [unclear: "they were beaten" (captions) / "a war" (Whisper)], or something else?

Israel Keyes: Oh, one of the Washington things, that it was, uh, I don't know about that. It's just, no, it wasn't, it wasn't [strangling]. I hit somebody in the head, so.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Did I, did you mean to kill [them], or did you think that happened? Was there a struggle when you hit them, and they died, or what? Did you mean to kill them, or what?

Israel Keyes: No, I mean, I wasn't trying to kill [them]. I just, uh, [unclear: "put him out of action" / "took a lot of action"; the FBI transcript has "taking 'em outta action"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I think you read that in one of the letters [unclear: "you put in the mail" / "you put over the males"].

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "You know, the email copy. I saw that" (captions) / "and their female couple died" (second caption track)]. [Rich] mentioned that they gave you all that stuff. I should have asked them to give me a copy, so I know which ones you have.

Officer Jeff Bell: We could go over that together, and [you] could fill in the blanks at some point in time.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, we know in the...

Israel Keyes: I didn't realize they were allowed to take stuff out of my [unclear: "cell" / "shoulder" / "self"] while I wasn't paying attention.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I was pretty sure they [unclear: "got it" / not in Whisper]. Well, we know for a fact that a couple in Washington State, and definitely not a couple... We read that, you know.

Israel Keyes: Let me know.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Are those the same couple from the day you took [them] to the boat and dumped [them] in the lake? Or did it happen... I mean, when did it happen?

Israel Keyes: I don't know when. It was very... Yeah, that was a long time ago.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: That was a long time ago? Was that right after the military? After you got out of the military?

Israel Keyes: It was before I got the boat.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Mm-hm. And you told us one time that, you know, it wasn't long [after] you got out of the military that you, you killed somebody, and it was that sort of feeling that you needed to do something.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "Neah Bay's a boring town" (FBI transcript) / "It was hard to do. And then the day it was going down" (machine readings)].

Officer Jeff Bell: Is it fair to say that we're looking at a lot more around the Washington area than, you know, just the two in Washington?

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "No" / "Mm-hm"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: No, there's a, there's a couple. There's a couple in Washington, and then there's a couple [unclear: "in the city" / not in Whisper]. Is that right?

Israel Keyes: [Yeah.]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So if we can't find this knife...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: [unclear: "This is unfortunately that we didn't get as much as we did" (captions) / "I don't think Washington has any of us enough to go on" (Whisper)].

Officer Jeff Bell: And if we took that knife... We had some knives. I don't know what all we had.

Israel Keyes: I don't think it was anything to do with this [unclear: "company" / "couple"].

Officer Jeff Bell: Well, is it possible it was [inaudible]?

Israel Keyes: I don't think so. I haven't seen it there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Could be in a different Washington cache?

Israel Keyes: No, they're, they're not so much.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [unclear: "The one we were looking at up there?" (captions) / "Or Wyoming one we talked about?" (FBI transcript)]

Officer Jeff Bell: A couple, husband and wife, you know?

Israel Keyes: I'm not going to talk about that stuff.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: What about the other caches? What about another cache?

Israel Keyes: Well, the other caches aren't related to any... I mean, [unclear: "that one in New York" (second caption track) / "that one we did with the cell phone" (captions) / "about one of your records" (Whisper)] is the only one directly related, related to them.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: [unclear: "I mean, like that. Part of that. They don't understand the company's status" (captions) / "I'm going to go to the other side" (Whisper)]. Well, that would give us something to go on, if there were the caches that they could go [unclear: "on the tree" / "in the trees" / "attach the video on the trees"].

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "Sorry" / "Yeah"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: That would keep, that would keep the, that would keep the FBI busy.

Israel Keyes: Yeah. I [have to] think about which one I want to part with.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: That's right.

Officer Jeff Bell: If you thought of...

Israel Keyes: It all still belongs to me, however.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Have a candy bar.

Officer Jeff Bell: If you thought of one that you wanted to give up, then maybe we might be able to work something out with [unclear: "the" / "our"] video.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Oh, yeah. That's a good idea.

Israel Keyes: Well, that's another issue, is, there are the others I can't find just with the satellite map, so.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [We'd have] a general, general area.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, if you gave them a general area, they could probably get somebody.

Officer Jeff Bell: We, we just have to have enough information to get a hold of, you know, the type of person...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [That] covers that area.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: So again, if, you know, you get a cache, it's not related to anything. You're really not giving up any of your cards that you're trading with.

Israel Keyes: Well, that's the issue. They're all related to stuff. They're just... Yeah, I just have to, have to think about it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, yeah.

Israel Keyes: [And] try to remember what's in [them].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: What, it's sort of interesting for you, too. You'll get to see what's in there, and you'll get to see them again.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, it'll be one of those "oh shit" moments. You dig it up and [unclear: "I see" / "I say"] what's in there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Israel, there's been too many "oh shit" [moments].

Israel Keyes: Yeah, well, I've had enough. I've had my share for the year.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, you know, this is just the way... Well, why don't you, why don't you... If you were able to do that, that's going to buy us, give everybody something to do. People like to have something to do. They can, uh, be digging up a cache. And then you'll get to see how that video works, and then you'll get to see what's in there.

Israel Keyes: How long does a body last in a fresh water lake? I mean, if there's no critters that eat [them]...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: It depends on [body size]...

Officer Jeff Bell: It depends on how deep. I learned a lot.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: How deep [it is], the temperature of the water, and if the body's contained in something.

Officer Jeff Bell: And if it's not critters, it can be, like, bacteria or [unclear: "organic" / "organs"]...

Israel Keyes: [Bacteria.]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: They were talking about...

Israel Keyes: So if the water's below, say, 45 degrees all the time...

Officer Jeff Bell: I would think that would be good. And you, I think you said they [are] up to 80 feet at one point.

Israel Keyes: No, it was one that's a lot deeper.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: What, 200 feet?

Officer Jeff Bell: [Or] we should get a submarine or something?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Deeper than 200 feet?

Israel Keyes: You guys know about Lake Crescent in Washington?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: How deep is it?

Israel Keyes: I think that lake is 500 to 700 feet deep. They've never been to the bottom of it. There's people who've gone off that lake, and they still haven't found them. Their cars are in there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Is that the lake?

Israel Keyes: That's one of the lakes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So this is really deep. So this may never be, nobody recovered from there.

Israel Keyes: Well, it's over 200 feet. It's like 500 feet. That, that's the [deepest part of the] lake. But I'm saying, I don't know how deep it was. I know the general area. I had a fish finder, but it didn't register how deep it was. I just know, like, it was over...

Officer Jeff Bell: Maxed out at 100 feet?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Oh, is that, your fish finder goes to 100 feet?

Israel Keyes: I think. I don't remember. I just know, if you've been to the lake, you would see what I'm talking about. It, you know, it drops down like a V, so...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: But you didn't go to the 500-foot place, right?

Israel Keyes: No, I wasn't, I was in a, I was near the edge. But, you know, 30 feet out from the bank on that lake, it goes, it drops down to 50, 60 feet already. And I was [inaudible]...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: [Hm, okay.]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Anyway. The, the lab was talking about a case recently, actually, where they recovered a car that had been submerged in water. I don't know how deep it was, even, in. But it was, it was a relatively cold lake. And because it had been submerged in it, water still got in, but critters and other [things] weren't able to get in the car. And that was in the '40s, in the 1940s, and part of the body was still intact, because the, the person was protected by the car. So if, there's a lot of factors that go into it. But there will definitely, um, even if there wasn't skin or things like that, long bones will be, can be recovered.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "It is pretty easy to see small bones. Yeah, I know" (captions) / "We're just going to see small bubbles" (Whisper)]. [unclear: "You know, they don't do anything about it" (captions) / not in Whisper].

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: But if there's other, if there's other specifics, in terms of things that you know of, depths and temperatures, and that kind of stuff, you can certainly make some phone calls and find out what...

Israel Keyes: Well, that, I figured you would have guessed that, but it was pretty obvious. But, um, I was, I always have been curious as to what... I would think, as deep as that lake is, it's probably sitting there just exactly as it was when it first touched down.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: It could be.

Israel Keyes: I know most fresh water lakes that are that deep, there aren't even that many fish that go down that deep.

Officer Jeff Bell: But that was not in anything? It's just ropes or something holding it?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Is that the milk jugs?

Israel Keyes: Well, that's what the weights were.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Milk jugs? How many milk jugs? Are they going to move around?

Israel Keyes: Uh, no.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: How many milk jugs?

Israel Keyes: At least four or five, I think.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Just for one body?

Israel Keyes: [Yeah.]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, what about a cache that they can work on for next week?

Israel Keyes: Well, the easiest would be Washington, 'cause I know my way around there a little better.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: The agents are ready.

Israel Keyes: But I have to, I have, I have to think about it. I'll try to remember what's in there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Do you want them to line, do you want them to line it up? That's the thing. We can't be, we can't make a decision that day, because they won't have time to...

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah, they won't have time to line it up. Can you think about it over the... But if you think about it over the weekend or something...

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: And if there's anything you want, like, in the short...

Israel Keyes: Can you give me, like, an hour on the internet, maybe? Before, before we do this.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: You want an hour on the internet? You can do all your research.

Israel Keyes: Uh, I've been in a, I've been in a, I've been in an info blackout for too long.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I think that's, you know, you, you think about that, and [if] there's anything you want short term, in terms of...

Israel Keyes: I was joking. I wouldn't do that anyway.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: No, I'm not talking about the internet. I'm talking about, like, [if] you want some sort of, "All right, I'm going to do this," but, you know...

Officer Jeff Bell: You wouldn't do that on the internet without a computer [unclear: "on here" / not in Whisper]?

Israel Keyes: No, because I know you're just going to go right to everywhere I went.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I wouldn't do that to you.

Officer Jeff Bell: No.

Israel Keyes: Oh, God.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: But yeah, [unclear: "no" / "I don't think"], anything, you know, to kind of satisfy any short-term goals you have, even if it's just food or coffee, or, you know, whatever.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "I don't see a coffee anyway" / "obviously it's coffee anymore"].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Again, it's sort of a situation where I think you're not giving up anything, just giving us help with whoever we need to persuade.

Israel Keyes: Right. I think it's, you know... No, I can see your, I, I see your point of view, I do, on this. But at the same time, I have my own frustrations right now as well, so.

Officer Jeff Bell: But, but even, like, this is productive. This would be, this is productive, you know what I mean? You, you said you, you came over, and we got stuff, and so...

Israel Keyes: It's only productive from a non-prosecuting attorney's point of view.

Officer Jeff Bell: It's productive for us.

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "I already got my own stuff. It's okay" (captions) / "You felt this already got me on my own stuff" (Whisper)].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Okay. And, you know...

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "I'm getting out on bail anytime" (captions) / "I can not unveil any time" (Whisper); the FBI transcript has "I'm not getting out" at this point].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: You can think that I'm not working and trying to work with you. I am. But from my perspective, you know, Israel said he's going to do a lot of things in a short time frame, and we've been sitting here...

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: ...looking at months away.

Israel Keyes: Believe me, I'm aware of the months. I'm just, uh, I don't have an appreciation for things being done at a different speed. That's all.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So let me just make sure I'm clear on the cache. Do you have a general area now that you can give us, or do you want to think about it?

Officer Jeff Bell: Washington, right?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: But I mean, even...

Officer Jeff Bell: The two districts.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: [It's a] different state. We have, we have offices in a bunch of places, so we have to figure out which office we're working with.

Officer Jeff Bell: Within 50 or 100 miles of...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Is there anything close to [unclear: "Neah Bay" (FBI transcript) / "me today" (captions) / "the conveyor" (Whisper)], or...

Israel Keyes: Well, yeah.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: ...up in that area?

Israel Keyes: Yeah. Not near, near [unclear: "there" (captions) / "Neah Bay" (FBI transcript)], but in that...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: In that area?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [I think you said...]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Outside of Seattle. Between Seattle and [unclear: "Neah Bay" (FBI transcript) / "Seattle" (captions) / "the Tucson area" (Whisper)].

Israel Keyes: Right.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: You already met those agents already, so that's not a [unclear: "brain" / "bother"]...

Israel Keyes: [unclear: "Did I see that chocolate picture?" (captions); the FBI transcript has Keyes ask to see a picture]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: There's more pictures than this, too. I didn't grab them all. I can print them all out and have them for you next time. I know there were a couple, uh, a lot of gun parts and pieces, but I don't... A lot of parts and pieces.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Okay.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: I can grab the pictures that night. Okay, so do you want me to try to set it up for next week?

Israel Keyes: I don't know if I, I don't know if I'm going to know what day until I... [For] Port Angeles area?

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Somewhere.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Port Angeles?

Israel Keyes: Yeah. I, don't, don't set up a time yet. I got to try and remember.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Once you get your computer, you can look right now if you want.

Officer Jeff Bell: All right. Is that going to help you remember, the Google?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: You can look at Google right now if you want.

Officer Jeff Bell: When you know the area... He's trying to...

Israel Keyes: I'm trying to remember what's in it.

Officer Jeff Bell: He's trying to remember what's in it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: That's probably not going to be on Google.

Israel Keyes: No.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: But you can find that together. We'll just open it up. We'll do, like, Al Capone's vaults.

Israel Keyes: It's not that impressive. I'm more concerned about the little stuff that might be in it. Well, well, well.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Things you never thought you'd be talking about.

Israel Keyes: And then, on the Tupper Lake thing, you had agents up there with the cameras, but you just wanted to talk about the bank robbery, or were you...

Officer Jeff Bell: Well, we, what we had set up was, we just had them at the bank robbery parking lot to show you the live feed that we could do.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: We can talk about whatever you want to talk about.

Officer Jeff Bell: We had no expectations, but we thought the natural progression, because of what we've been talking, would be in that general area, so we wanted to get things moving there.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Officer Jeff Bell: You know, and if you wanted to just, like, pull out of the parking lot and then take us to the [unclear: "river bank" / "Riverbend"], that's all the better.

Israel Keyes: Well, I...

Officer Jeff Bell: But...

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I was just...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: You would be driving.

Officer Jeff Bell: Yeah, it would be like you being driving. 'Cause we thought, we would have to... That's how it's going to have to be eventually. Maybe you might have to be in the driver's seat, so to speak, to see, you know, landmarks or whatever you need to see.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Almost as good as being out.

Officer Jeff Bell: I'd like to tell you we were going to drive you to the dig site, and we were going to show you what we were doing, but...

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I'm having a harder time remembering roads [in] Port Angeles than [unclear: "when I wasn't there" (captions) / "East [inaudible]" (FBI transcript)]. I'm sure I can figure it out.

Officer Jeff Bell: [We] need that computer [for] an hour or two.

Israel Keyes: Um, all right.

Officer Jeff Bell: Well, so we won't set it up. We'll just...

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: We'll get them working on it, though, because...

Officer Jeff Bell: Get that tech guy.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Yeah. Tech geek guy has stuff.

Officer Jeff Bell: Geek squad.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: Get the camera and get everything all kind of set up.

Israel Keyes: Right.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: So we will get that moving, and we can touch base again at the beginning of next week, have a better idea of what your schedule's going to be like. And I'll know at that point what their schedule's going to be, and we can maybe figure out...

Israel Keyes: Yeah, we might be, we might be able to have a meeting. I know I'm having a meeting next week.

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: All right. What we may do then, Jeff and I, Jeff and I may come by the jail and just figure out that piece that we were just talking about, about the timing, and then we can go from there.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: In the meantime, I'm supposed to talk to [unclear: "the law enforcement" (captions) / "your mom" (second caption track) / "them" (Whisper)] tomorrow, and I can just tell them...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: So you need them...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah. We got the clues, and use that to our advantage.

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I don't really understand the way they're [unclear: "talking" / "doing"] right now.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: It's frustrating, yeah, from our perspective as well.

Israel Keyes: I mean, hypothetically, if they charge me federally, would you indict, would the indictment [be] up here, or would they move... I just don't understand, considering everything else that's going on, why they would, or how it, I, I guess not why, but how it would work. Like the logistics of it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, they, you know, like I said, they want, they want to be able to have solved that, that crime.

Israel Keyes: Right. They want to, they want to put my name on it. I understand that.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah.

Israel Keyes: It's not going to be officially solved till...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Exactly.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: I know, but, you know, they want to be able to put your name to it.

Israel Keyes: Right. And I understand that.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: And then the question is how that, you know, would it work, if they want to file the charges there, and, you know, that's what we're getting at.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: And it's a lot easier for them just to stomach it if they, you know, their forbearance is giving rise to clues to other murders, you know, whatever those clues might be.

Israel Keyes: Yeah.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: That is able to accomplish our goal.

Israel Keyes: I understand their perspective.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah.

Israel Keyes: But, and from my perspective, though, even if they were to officially charge me at this point, it's not, uh, it's not like it would be real breaking news anyway.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I think, you know, in some ways it would be, because no law enforcement person has ever confirmed that you're...

Israel Keyes: Right. It would just be confirmation of everyone's current speculation.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Exactly.

Israel Keyes: So I, I, I don't, I'm not interested in it from that point. I was just interested in it from a logistics point of view. Do they have to fly me to Vermont if they're going to charge me, or do they...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Well, you know, that's...

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: [unclear: "Well, they don't do that here" / not in Whisper]

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Feldis: Those are some of the questions.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: I'm hoping not to get [there].

Israel Keyes: Is it warmer in Vermont?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: A little warmer. We talked on Monday, and it just snowed, they told us.

Officer Jeff Bell: They got more snow than us there?

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah.

Israel Keyes: [They] got a quarter [unclear: "of Alaska" (captions) / "for last year" (FBI transcript)].

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Russo: Yeah. Any other questions?

Israel Keyes: [No.]

Special Agent Jolene Goeden: All right. [unclear: "I don't know if I'm going to be up there" / not in Whisper]

Officer Jeff Bell: You got to take a [unclear: "week" (machine readings) / "leak" (FBI transcript)] or anything for me?

Israel Keyes: I'm all right.

Officer Jeff Bell: You're not going to eat this?

Israel Keyes: No, I'm good, thanks.

Officer Jeff Bell: You sure?

Israel Keyes: Yeah, I'm sure.